Why Israel and the Church are Separate For Dummies

7 Biblical References Supporting Identifying Israel and the Church as Separate Entities in the Bible.  And you get a bonus because some of these verses also tell you that God said there was going to be a time of wrath upon the nations and Israel as well as the fact that God has told us that the Church will be delivered from the end times wrath to come.



Ponder this: If Israel and the Church are the same then how can God say that he is going to dwell with Israel in their land forever (Ezekiel 43:1-7) and that Jesus said he would go and prepare a place for us in his Father's house and then return so that we may be with Jesus always (John 14:8-9).




Ezekiel 43:1-7

Afterward he brought me to the gate, even the gate that looketh toward the east:

And, behold, the glory of the God of Israel came from the way of the east: and his voice was like a noise of many waters: and the earth shined with his glory.

And it was according to the appearance of the vision which I saw, even according to the vision that I saw when I came to destroy the city: and the visions were like the vision that I saw by the river Chebar; and I fell upon my face.

And the glory of the Lord came into the house by the way of the gate whose prospect is toward the east.

So the spirit took me up, and brought me into the inner court; and, behold, the glory of the Lord filled the house.

And I heard him speaking unto me out of the house; and the man stood by me.

And he said unto me, Son of man, the place of my throne, and the place of the soles of my feet, where I will dwell in the midst of the children of Israel for ever, and my holy name, shall the house of Israel no more defile, neither they, nor their kings, by their whoredom, nor by the carcases of their kings in their high places.


John 14:8-9

In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.


1 Thes. 1:10

And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come.



1 Thes. 5:9

For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ



Rev. 3:10

Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.


Jeremiah 30:4-11

And these are the words that the Lord spake concerning Israel and concerning Judah.

For thus saith the Lord; We have heard a voice of trembling, of fear, and not of peace.

Ask ye now, and see whether a man doth travail with child? wherefore do I see every man with his hands on his loins, as a woman in travail, and all faces are turned into paleness?

Alas! for that day is great, so that none is like it: it is even the time of Jacob's trouble; but he shall be saved out of it.

For it shall come to pass in that day, saith the Lord of hosts, that I will break his yoke from off thy neck, and will burst thy bonds, and strangers shall no more serve themselves of him:

But they shall serve the Lord their God, and David their king, whom I will raise up unto them.1

Therefore fear thou not, O my servant Jacob, saith the Lord; neither be dismayed, O Israel: for, lo, I will save thee from afar, and thy seed from the land of their captivity; and Jacob shall return, and shall be in rest, and be quiet, and none shall make him afraid.


Zechariah 13:8-9

And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith the Lord, two parts therein shall be cut off and die; but the third shall be left therein.

And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The Lord is my God.

Tribulation for the Church verses Great Tribulation or the Time of Jacob's Trouble for Israel

Scripture that separates the general tribulation that christians experience versus the 7 year period of time that Jesus called the great tribulation that would occur before the day of the Lord or Second Coming.


(John 16:33 [KJV])
These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.

That is general tribulation not the Time of Jacob's Trouble otherwise called by Jesus "great tribulation" Matthew 24




(Dan 9:24-27 [KJV])
Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.


Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.


And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.


And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.




Note: In two places the Word of God points out that the days equal a year therefore in Daniel's 70 weeks there is a span of 490 years described.  


(Num 14:34 [KJV])
After the number of the days in which ye searched the land, even forty days, each day for a year, shall ye bear your iniquities, even forty years, and ye shall know my breach of promise.


(Ezek 4:6 [KJV])
And when thou hast accomplished them, lie again on thy right side, and thou shalt bear the iniquity of the house of Judah forty days: I have appointed thee each day for a year.











(Matt 24:21 [KJV])
For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.


(Matt 24:29-30 [KJV])
Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.



Clearest picture of the purpose of the Great Tribulation in the Old Testament

(Jer 30:3-11 [KJV])
For, lo, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will bring again the captivity of my people Israel and Judah, saith the LORD: and I will cause them to return to the land that I gave to their fathers, and they shall possess it.And these are the words that the LORD spake concerning Israel and concerning Judah.

For thus saith the LORD; We have heard a voice of trembling, of fear, and not of peace.

Ask ye now, and see whether a man doth travail with child? wherefore do I see every man with his hands on his loins, as a woman in travail, and all faces are turned into paleness?

Alas! for that day is great, so that none is like it: it is even the time of Jacob's trouble; but he shall be saved out of it.

For it shall come to pass in that day, saith the LORD of hosts, that I will break his yoke from off thy neck, and will burst thy bonds, and strangers shall no more serve themselves of him:

But they shall serve the LORD their God, and David their king, whom I will raise up unto them.

Therefore fear thou not, O my servant Jacob, saith the LORD; neither be dismayed, O Israel: for, lo, I will save thee from afar, and thy seed from the land of their captivity; and Jacob shall return, and shall be in rest, and be quiet, and none shall make him afraid.

For I am with thee, saith the LORD, to save thee: though I make a full end of all nations whither I have scattered thee, yet will I not make a full end of thee: but I will correct thee in measure, and will not leave thee altogether unpunished.



Twice Israel has been regathered after this was written:

1st time in 535 BC

2nd time in 1948 but that gathering is continuing today because there are still many coming to Israel.


More old testament on the second regathering of Israel

(Isa 11:11 [KJV])
And it shall come to pass in that day, that the Lord shall set his hand again the second time to recover the remnant of his people, which shall be left, from Assyria, and from Egypt, and from Pathros, and from Cush, and from Elam, and from Shinar, and from Hamath, and from the islands of the sea.

(Isa 11:12 [KJV])
And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.

(Isa 11:13 [KJV])
The envy also of Ephraim shall depart, and the adversaries of Judah shall be cut off: Ephraim shall not envy Judah, and Judah shall not vex Ephraim.





(Ezek 37:15 [KJV])
The word of the LORD came again unto me, saying,

(Ezek 37:16 [KJV])
Moreover, thou son of man, take thee one stick, and write upon it, For Judah, and for the children of Israel his companions: then take another stick, and write upon it, For Joseph, the stick of

Ephraim, and for all the house of Israel his companions:

(Ezek 37:17 [KJV])
And join them one to another into one stick; and they shall become one in thine hand.

(Ezek 37:18 [KJV])
And when the children of thy people shall speak unto thee, saying, Wilt thou not shew us what thou meanest by these?

(Ezek 37:19 [KJV])
Say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the stick of Joseph, which is in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel his fellows, and will put them with him, even with the stick of Judah, and make them one stick, and they shall be one in mine hand.

(Ezek 37:20 [KJV])
And the sticks whereon thou writest shall be in thine hand before their eyes.

(Ezek 37:21 [KJV])
And say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen, whither they be gone, and will gather them on every side, and bring them into their own land:

(Ezek 37:22 [KJV])
And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all:

(Ezek 37:23 [KJV])
Neither shall they defile themselves any more with their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any of their transgressions: but I will save them out of all their dwellingplaces, wherein they have sinned, and will cleanse them: so shall they be my people, and I will be their God.

(Ezek 37:24 [KJV])
And David my servant shall be king over them; and they all shall have one shepherd: they shall also walk in my judgments, and observe my statutes, and do them.

(Ezek 37:25 [KJV])
And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob my servant, wherein your fathers have dwelt; and they shall dwell therein, even they, and their children, and their children's children for ever: and my servant David shall be their prince for ever.



The world will feel the wrath of God on the Day of the Lord.  The remnant of Israel will remain and will believe. 1/3 part of Israel and perhaps the world will die during the Great Tribulation.  But God will keep the remnant safe and they will all believe in Jesus and thereby be saved.


(Rev 9:15 [KJV])
And the four angels were loosed, which were prepared for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year, for to slay the third part of men.




(Jer 30:11 [KJV])
For I am with thee, saith the LORD, to save thee: though I make a full end of all nations whither I have scattered thee, yet will I not make a full end of thee: but I will correct thee in measure, and will not leave thee altogether unpunished.



The Church 

(Eph 2:15 [KJV])
Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;

(Eph 2:16 [KJV])
And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:




(Col 1:19 [KJV])
For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;

(Col 1:20 [KJV])
And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.



Who is eligible to be part of the church?


(Gal 3:26 [KJV])
For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

(Gal 3:27 [KJV])
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

(Gal 3:28 [KJV])
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.



Great Tribulation for the Jews


(Zech 12:10 [KJV])
And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.

(Zech 12:11 [KJV])
In that day shall there be a great mourning in Jerusalem, as the mourning of Hadadrimmon in the valley of Megiddon.

(Zech 12:12 [KJV])
And the land shall mourn, every family apart; the family of the house of David apart, and their wives apart; the family of the house of Nathan apart, and their wives apart;

(Zech 12:13 [KJV])
The family of the house of Levi apart, and their wives apart; the family of Shimei apart, and their wives apart;




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(Acts 15:12 [KJV])
Then all the multitude kept silence, and gave audience to Barnabas and Paul, declaring what miracles and wonders God had wrought among the Gentiles by them.

(Acts 15:13 [KJV])
And after they had held their peace, James answered, saying, Men and brethren, hearken unto me:

(Acts 15:14 [KJV])
Simeon hath declared how God at the first did visit the Gentiles, to take out of them a people for his name.

(Acts 15:15 [KJV])
And to this agree the words of the prophets; as it is written,

(Acts 15:16 [KJV])
After this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up:

(Acts 15:17 [KJV])
That the residue of men might seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles, upon whom my name is called, saith the Lord, who doeth all these things.

(Acts 15:18 [KJV])
Known unto God are all his works from the beginning of the world.


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(Rom 11:25 [KJV])
For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles

be come in.

(Rom 11:26 [KJV])
And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

(Rom 11:27 [KJV])
For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.




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(Ezek 39:28 [KJV])
Then shall they know that I am the LORD their God, which caused them to be led into captivity among the heathen: but I have gathered them unto their own land, and have left none of them any more there.

(Ezek 39:29 [KJV])
Neither will I hide my face any more from them: for I have poured out my spirit upon the house of Israel, saith the Lord GOD.



God is consistent, and never changing.  He will not destroy the righteous because of the wicked:


(Gen 18:23 [KJV])
And Abraham drew near, and said, Wilt thou also destroy the righteous with the wicked?

(Gen 18:24 [KJV])
Peradventure there be fifty righteous within the city: wilt thou also destroy and not spare the place for the fifty righteous that are therein?

(Gen 18:25 [KJV])
That be far from thee to do after this manner, to slay the righteous with the wicked: and that the righteous should be as the wicked, that be far from thee: Shall not the Judge of all the earth do right?






(Rom 11:1 [KJV])
I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.

(Rom 11:2 [KJV])
God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel, saying,

(Rom 11:3 [KJV])
Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life.

(Rom 11:4 [KJV])
But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal.

(Rom 11:5 [KJV])
Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

(Rom 11:6 [KJV])
And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.

(Rom 11:7 [KJV])
What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded

(Rom 11:8 [KJV])
(According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear;) unto this day.

(Rom 11:9 [KJV])
And David saith, Let their table be made a snare, and a trap, and a stumblingblock, and a recompence unto them:

(Rom 11:10 [KJV])
Let their eyes be darkened, that they may not see, and bow down their back alway.

(Rom 11:11 [KJV])
I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.

(Rom 11:12 [KJV])
Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness?

(Rom 11:13 [KJV])
For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:

(Rom 11:14 [KJV])
If by any means I may provoke to emulation them which are my flesh, and might save some of them.

(Rom 11:15 [KJV])
For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead?







(1Pet 2:4 [KJV])
To whom coming, as unto a living stone, disallowed indeed of men, but chosen of God, and precious,

(1Pet 2:5 [KJV])
Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.

(1Pet 2:6 [KJV])
Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded.

(1Pet 2:7 [KJV])
Unto you therefore which believe he is precious: but unto them which be disobedient, the stone which the builders disallowed, the same is made the head of the corner,

(1Pet 2:8 [KJV])
And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed.

(1Pet 2:9 [KJV])
But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:



And This Indicates that the Church will be removed from the Wrath of the Day of the Lord


(Rev 3:10 [KJV])
Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.


(1Thess 5:9 [KJV])
For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,

That is some good news!

Differences between the Rapture and the Second Coming

Misquoting Romans 10:12

Romans 10: 12 is often taken out of context as biblical proof that the church and Israel are the same.  if you read Romans 10: 12-13 then you see that there is no difference between who can be saved.  It is not just for the Jews and it is not just for the Gentiles that can call on the name of Jesus and believe in him and have salvation.

But the remnant of Israel after the great tribulation that Jesus speaks of in Matthew 24 and also is referenced in the old testament as the Time of Jacob's Trouble  are the people of Israel that will be saved.  That will be the fulfillment of a promise God made to Abraham that all his people would be saved.


“The Scriptures indicate that the Day of the Lord, the Time of Jacob’s Trouble, and the Great Tribulation have several things in common. First, the concept of trouble or tribulation are associated with all three . . . Second, the concept of an unparalleled time of trouble is identified with all three [Joel Joel 2:1-2; Jer. Jer. 30:7; Dan. Dan. 12:1 cf. Mtt. Mat. 24:21] . . . Third, the term ‘great’ is used for all three . . . Fourth, the concept of birth pangs is associated with all three . . . Fifth, the expression ‘that day’ is used for all three . . . Sixth, Israel’s future repentance or spiritual restoration to God is associated with all three . . . These comparisons demonstrate that several of the same concepts and terms are associated with the Day of the Lord, the Time of Jacob’s Trouble, and the Great Tribulation . . . they indicate that the Day of the Lord will cover or at least include the same time period as the Time of Jacob’s Trouble and the Great Tribulation.”—Renald E. Showers, Maranatha, Our Lord Come (Bellmawr, NJ: The Friends of Israel Gospel Ministry, 1995), 41-42.




Romans 10:12
For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.


Now read the entire text.  What does the Holy Spirit tell you this means?

(Rom 10:1-16 [KJV])

(Rom 10:1 [KJV])
Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved.

(Rom 10:2 [KJV])
For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge.

(Rom 10:3 [KJV])
For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.

(Rom 10:4 [KJV])
For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

(Rom 10:5 [KJV])
For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them.

(Rom 10:6 [KJV])
But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above:)

(Rom 10:7 [KJV])
Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.)

(Rom 10:8 [KJV])
But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;

(Rom 10:9 [KJV])
That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

(Rom 10:10 [KJV])
For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

(Rom 10:11 [KJV])
For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

(Rom 10:12 [KJV])
For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.

(Rom 10:13 [KJV])
For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

(Rom 10:14 [KJV])
How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?

(Rom 10:15 [KJV])
And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!

(Rom 10:16 [KJV])
But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?

What Does The Bible Say About Judgment

Bible Prophecy That Demonstrates We Are In The End Times

Prophecy pertaining to Israel is a key to understanding that we are in the end times right now.  The hour is very late:

We Know It Is End Times Because

Prophecy #1: Israel will become a nation again

Isaiah 43: 1-6

Prophecy #2: Has come to pass in recent times (May 14th, 1948)

Isaiah 11: 11-12

Prophecy #3: A nation forms in a day

Prophecy #4 Unify into one nation 

Context: First time in 2900 years that Israel was one nation because they were divided into the 10 tribes of the North and the 2 tribes of the South (Judah)

Ezekiel 37: 21-22

Prophecy #5: Israel's currency would be the Shekel according to Ezekiel's prophecy over 2500 years ago

Ezekiel 45: 12,13,16

Prophecy #6: Israel Would blossom with flowers in the desert

Context: When Mark Twain visited he noted how desolate the land was.  This place was virtually rain free until the 1800 when the rain amounts started slowly increasing until Israel became a nation

in 1948.

Isaiah 35: 1-2

Prophecy #7: Israel would have a powerful military

Zechariah 12: 6

Fact is Israel is the most powerful military country in the middle east and has full nuclear capabilities.  Has not been defeated in 6 wars despite all enemies outnumbering and surrounding her.

Prophecy #8: Israel would be a center of world conflict

Bible Verses KJV


(Isa 43:1 [KJV])
But now thus saith the LORD that created thee, O Jacob, and he that formed thee, O Israel, Fear not: for I have redeemed thee, I have called thee by thy name; thou art mine.

(Isa 43:2 [KJV])
When thou passest through the waters, I will be with thee; and through the rivers, they shall not overflow thee: when thou walkest through the fire, thou shalt not be burned; neither shall the flame kindle upon thee.

(Isa 43:3 [KJV])
For I am the LORD thy God, the Holy One of Israel, thy Saviour: I gave Egypt for thy ransom, Ethiopia and Seba for thee.

(Isa 43:4 [KJV])
Since thou wast precious in my sight, thou hast been honourable, and I have loved thee: therefore will I give men for thee, and people for thy life.

(Isa 43:5 [KJV])
Fear not: for I am with thee: I will bring thy seed from the east, and gather thee from the west;

(Isa 43:6 [KJV])
I will say to the north, Give up; and to the south, Keep not back: bring my sons from far, and my daughters from the ends of the earth;

(Isa 11:11 [KJV])
And it shall come to pass in that day, that the Lord shall set his hand again the second time to recover the remnant of his people, which shall be left, from Assyria, and from Egypt, and from Pathros, and from Cush, and from Elam, and from Shinar, and from Hamath, and from the islands of the sea.

(Isa 11:12 [KJV])
And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.







(Ezek 37:21 [KJV])
And say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen, whither they be gone, and will gather them on every side, and bring them into their own land:

(Ezek 37:22 [KJV])
And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all:









(Ezek 45:12 [KJV])
And the shekel shall be twenty gerahs: twenty shekels, five and twenty shekels, fifteen shekels, shall be your maneh.

(Ezek 45:13 [KJV])
This is the oblation that ye shall offer; the sixth part of an ephah of an homer of wheat, and ye shall give the sixth part of an ephah of an homer of barley:

(Ezek 45:16 [KJV])
All the people of the land shall give this oblation for the prince in Israel.






(Isa 35:1 [KJV])
The wilderness and the solitary place shall be glad for them; and the desert shall rejoice, and blossom as the rose.

(Isa 35:2 [KJV])
It shall blossom abundantly, and rejoice even with joy and singing: the glory of Lebanon shall be given unto it, the excellency of Carmel and Sharon, they shall see the glory of the LORD, and the excellency of our God.








(Zech 12:6 [KJV])
In that day will I make the governors of Judah like an hearth of fire among the wood, and like a torch of fire in a sheaf; and they shall devour all the people round about, on the right hand and on the left: and Jerusalem shall be inhabited again in her own place, even in Jerusalem.

Biblical References Supporting Pretribulation Rapture

Matthew 7:13-14

Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:

Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

Jesus indicated that there would be many that would be lead astray and would follow the path to destruction.  What happens to those that are saved yet also are against Israel?  The most popular beliefs today seem to be in line with what Jesus is saying above.  We have more major christian denominations teaching that we are now in the Millennial Kingdom (Amillennial view).  These also teach that the Church has replaced Israel.  What are the consequences for following this doctrine.

If we subscribe to the teaching of the church replacing Israel are we then cursed?  Or are we simply more likely to be deceived and take the mark of the beast when the Great Tribulation unfolds?


Genesis 12: 2-3


And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing:

And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.


Yep, that's a curse for those that curse Israel


Many refer to Matthew 25:40 as a verse where Jesus may be referring to the Jewish people when he says "Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me."

What might Jesus mean when he says my brethren?

Jesus says that if you have done this to the least of his brethren, then you have done it to him.  He didn't say your brethren.  Are there any instances in the Bible where Jesus refers to his brethren (my brethren)?



Luke 8:21
...My mother and my brethren are these which hear the word of God, and do it.

Mark 3: 33-34
And he answered them, saying, Who is my mother, or my brethren? And he looked round about on them which sat about him, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren! For whosoever shall do the will of God, the same is my brother, and my sister, and mother. 


Matthew 12: 48-49

48 But he answered and said unto him that told him, Who is my mother? and who are my brethren? 
49 And he stretched forth his hand toward his disciples, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren! 50 For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.  


We can see that Jesus does say that his brethren are not siblings to him but his brethren is anyone that does will of God the Father. Also, we see in Luke 8 Jesus says these that hear the word of God and do it are his brethren.  The word of God is all true and details God's will.  God's will is in his word and if we read it and don't understand it because we've been misled then we may not be able to do God's will.

So now the question is what is our Father's will?  That's a big question, but in the context of Matthew 25 we can say that this is referring to the sheep and goat judgement that is to happen at the Second Coming of Jesus Christ on earth.

We know that God has said that the Jews of Israel are his chosen people.  And any that stands against Israel will suffer.  So doesn't it follow that God's will would be that we all not stand against Israel?

God Possesses Attributes That Have Never Changed

God is all knowing, perfect, and does not lie.  God has many more attributes, but I want to just mention these few.

I want to be crystal clear about this.  If God said something is going to occur then it will occur.  If he said that Israel is the chosen people then that is the fact.  To claim otherwise in hopes that you can feel "chosen" is twisting the scripture to fill your needs.

The Old Testament is also the word of God in case you aren't aware:

Deuteronomy 7:6 
Jehovah your God has chosen you to be a special people to Himself above all people that are upon the face of the earth.

Good News For All

We can all be children of God, but only if we believe in Jesus Christ as savior and God.

John 1:12 
But as many as received him, to them gave he the right to become children of God, even to them that believe on his name.



The fact is the belief that the saved will be caught up in the clouds before the tribulation is fully biblical and was taught by Paul.

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Preachers teaching wrong doctrine? Medical doctors promoting cigarette smoking?  Say it ain't so Joe!

It is so.  Never trust the man over what the Bible says.

There are wolves in sheep's clothing teaching that "pretribulation rapture" doctrine is of the devil. Those same claim that this belief system is a relatively new one originating back to the 1800s.

In fact it was Augustine that popularized the amillennialist doctrine that are now in the Millennial Kingdom which is not the case.

There are multiple examples of scholars teaching of a pretribulation rapture before Augustine changed the doctrine of the Church for the masses.  Here is one example:

Epharaem the Syrian said, in 373 AD, "For all the saints and Elect of God are gathered, prior to the tribulation that is to come, and are taken to the Lord lest they see the confusion that is to overwhelm the world because of our sins."

I'm not great at math but that would be at least 1500 years before most pretribulation hate mongers talk about a demon telling this fairy tale story of pretribulation rapture to a girl in Scotland.

First Resurrection Indicates No Rapture?  Say What!?

What You Talking About Fool!? 

Don't be a dang fool.  There are some folks trying to confuse us with this crazy talk of a first resurrection meaning that there will be no rapture.

Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

Why is a first resurrection spoken of after there have already been multiple resurrection events?

Does this statement in Revelation 20:5 support only one resurrection?  If so then what about Jesus being resurrected?  What about the Tribulation Saints that are resurrected at the Second Coming?  How in the world could believers be resurrected if they did not die because of their faith in Jesus Christ?


Revelation 20:5 refers to a first resurrection.  If this is a description of the first event of a resurrection then what about when Jesus was resurrected from the dead and took resurrected saints with him from the grave over 2000 years ago?  This first resurrection logically makes the most sense when we think of it as a type of happening that occurs much in the same way.  Jesus died and was resurrected as well as the saints that were resurrected from the grave at that time.  So when the dead in Christ are resurrected and then those that remain and are alive are caught up in the clouds to meet Jesus and be with Him forever that is also a part of the first resurrection.

Also the tribulation rapture of the two witnesses and the 144,000 Jewish evangelists will also occur before the tribulation saints that die during the Great Tribulation. At the mid-point of the tribulation, the two witnesses are killed by the Antichrist, resurrected by God, and then caught up into heaven (Rev 11:3-12).  Again this is a resurrection that is said to occur and this happens before the resurrection event in Revelation 20:5.


Finally, at the end of the Great Tribulation when Jesus comes back on what is called the Second Coming the Tribulations saints are resurrected.  There will be the goats and the sheep judgement of all.  The righteous in Christ will be rewarded and the non believers will be cast into Hades for 1000 years.  After the 1000 years they will then be cast into the Lake of Fire after the Great White Throne judgement.


Revelation chapter 7 describes the sealing of the 144,000 Jewish evangelists just before the Beast issues his mark. Sometime during the latter half of the tribulation, Revelation chapter 14 indicates they will be "redeemed from the earth," standing before the throne of God.


So the first resurrection must be referring to the resurrection which started with Jesus Christ and ends with the resurrection of the Tribulation saints at the end of Armageddon at the Second Coming of Jesus Christ.

So Do You Think The Church Replaces Israel?

What You Talking Bout Willis!!??

That's right: What are you talking about Willis?  Just in case you were not aware the Church in fact does not replace Israel.  

Here are a few more scripture that attests to the fact that God does not break promises even when His chosen people disobey his command.

Romans 11:1-5

Rom 11:1 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.

Rom 11:2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel, saying,

Rom 11:3 Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life.

Rom 11:4 But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal.

Rom 11:5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.





Psalm 94:14 For the LORD will not cast off his people, neither will he forsake his inheritance.



Genesis 12:2-3

Gen 12:2 And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing:
Gen 12:3 And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.




Zech 12:2
Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of trembling unto all the people round about, when they shall be in the siege both against Judah and against Jerusalem.

There is no way this could be true.  Jerusalem is kind of a small place and this was referring not only to that city but the descendants of Judah over 2500 years ago.  Wait, the descendants of Judah are Jews and it does seem that the world is against Israel in these end times.  Looks like this is true!




Jer 30:2-22

Jer 30:2 Thus speaketh the LORD God of Israel, saying, Write thee all the words that I have spoken unto thee in a book.

Jer 30:3 For, lo, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will bring again the captivity of my people Israel and Judah, saith the LORD: and I will cause them to return to the land that I gave to their fathers, and they shall possess it.

Jer 30:4 And these are the words that the LORD spake concerning Israel and concerning Judah.

Jer 30:5 For thus saith the LORD; We have heard a voice of trembling, of fear, and not of peace.

Jer 30:6 Ask ye now, and see whether a man doth travail with child? wherefore do I see every man with his hands on his loins, as a woman in travail, and all faces are turned into paleness?

Jer 30:7 Alas! for that day is great, so that none is like it: it is even the time of Jacob's trouble; but he shall be saved out of it.

Jer 30:8 For it shall come to pass in that day, saith the LORD of hosts, that I will break his yoke from off thy neck, and will burst thy bonds, and strangers shall no more serve themselves of him:

Jer 30:9 But they shall serve the LORD their God, and David their king, whom I will raise up unto them.

Jer 30:10 Therefore fear thou not, O my servant Jacob, saith the LORD; neither be dismayed, O Israel: for, lo, I will save thee from afar, and thy seed from the land of their captivity; and Jacob shall return, and shall be in rest, and be quiet, and none shall make him afraid.

Jer 30:11 For I am with thee, saith the LORD, to save thee: though I make a full end of all nations whither I have scattered thee, yet will I not make a full end of thee: but I will correct thee in measure, and will not leave thee altogether unpunished.

Jer 30:12 For thus saith the LORD, Thy bruise is incurable, and thy wound is grievous.

Jer 30:13 There is none to plead thy cause, that thou mayest be bound up: thou hast no healing medicines.

Jer 30:14 All thy lovers have forgotten thee; they seek thee not; for I have wounded thee with the wound of an enemy, with the chastisement of a cruel one, for the multitude of thine iniquity; because thy sins were increased.

Jer 30:15 Why criest thou for thine affliction? thy sorrow is incurable for the multitude of thine iniquity: because thy sins were increased, I have done these things unto thee.

Jer 30:16 Therefore all they that devour thee shall be devoured; and all thine adversaries, every one of them, shall go into captivity; and they that spoil thee shall be a spoil, and all that prey upon thee will I give for a prey.

Jer 30:17 For I will restore health unto thee, and I will heal thee of thy wounds, saith the LORD; because they called thee an Outcast, saying, This is Zion, whom no man seeketh after.

Jer 30:18 Thus saith the LORD; Behold, I will bring again the captivity of Jacob's tents, and have mercy on his dwellingplaces; and the city shall be builded upon her own heap, and the palace shall remain after the manner thereof.

Jer 30:19 And out of them shall proceed thanksgiving and the voice of them that make merry: and I will multiply them, and they shall not be few; I will also glorify them, and they shall not be small.

Jer 30:20 Their children also shall be as aforetime, and their congregation shall be established before me, and I will punish all that oppress them.

Jer 30:21 And their nobles shall be of themselves, and their governor shall proceed from the midst of them; and I will cause him to draw near, and he shall approach unto me: for who is this that engaged his heart to approach unto me? saith the LORD.

Jer 30:22 And ye shall be my people, and I will be your God.



And now to make a long post even longer let us look at close to 100 verses from the Old and New Testament that convince me of the likelihood of a rapture before God pours his wrath out on the world.

Scripture that Supports a Pretribulation Rapture

1 Cor. 2:6-8

Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought:

But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:

Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.

Colossians 2:13-15


And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;

Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.

Daniel 9:24

Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

Romans 8:19-21


For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.

For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,

Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.

2 Corinthians 5:21

For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

Jeremiah 30:11
For I am with thee, saith the LORD, to save thee: though I make a full end of all nations whither I have scattered thee, yet will I not make a full end of thee: but I will correct thee in measure, and will not leave thee altogether unpunished.

Genesis 5:24
And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him.

Matt 24:37 
But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

Matt. 24:45-25:46

Matt 24:45 Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season?

Matt 24:46 Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing.

Matt 24:47 Verily I say unto you, That he shall make him ruler over all his goods.

Matt 24:48 But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming;

Matt 24:49 And shall begin to smite his fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken;

Matt 24:50 The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of,

Matt 24:51 And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Matt 25:1 Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom.

Matt 25:2 And five of them were wise, and five were foolish.

Matt 25:3 They that were foolish took their lamps, and took no oil with them:

Matt 25:4 But the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps.

Matt 25:5 While the bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered and slept.

Matt 25:6 And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him.

Matt 25:7 Then all those virgins arose, and trimmed their lamps.

Matt 25:8 And the foolish said unto the wise, Give us of your oil; for our lamps are gone out.

Matt 25:9 But the wise answered, saying, Not so; lest there be not enough for us and you: but go ye rather 
to them that sell, and buy for yourselves.

Matt 25:10 And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut.

Matt 25:11 Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us.

Matt 25:12 But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not.

Matt 25:13 Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.

Matt 25:14 For the kingdom of heaven is as a man travelling into a far country, who called his own servants, and delivered unto them his goods.

Matt 25:15 And unto one he gave five talents, to another two, and to another one; to every man according to his several ability; and straightway took his journey.

Matt 25:16 Then he that had received the five talents went and traded with the same, and made them other five talents.

Matt 25:17 And likewise he that had received two, he also gained other two.

Matt 25:18 But he that had received one went and digged in the earth, and hid his lord's money.

Matt 25:19 After a long time the lord of those servants cometh, and reckoneth with them.

Matt 25:20 And so he that had received five talents came and brought other five talents, saying, Lord, thou deliveredst unto me five talents: behold, I have gained beside them five talents more.

Matt 25:21  His lord said unto him, Well done, thou good and faithful servant: thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord.

Matt 25:22  He also that had received two talents came and said, Lord, thou deliveredst unto me two talents: behold, I have gained two other talents beside them.

Matt 25:23 His lord said unto him, Well done, good and faithful servant; thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord.

Matt 25:24 Then he which had received the one talent came and said, Lord, I knew thee that thou art an hard man, reaping where thou hast not sown, and gathering where thou hast not strawed:

Matt 25:25 And I was afraid, and went and hid thy talent in the earth: lo, there thou hast that is thine.

Matt 25:26  His lord answered and said unto him, Thou wicked and slothful servant, thou knewest that I reap where I sowed not, and gather where I have not strawed:

Matt 25:27 Thou oughtest therefore to have put my money to the exchangers, and then at my coming I should have received mine own with usury.

Matt 25:28 Take therefore the talent from him, and give it unto him which hath ten talents.

Matt 25:29 For unto every one that hath shall be given, and he shall have abundance: but from him that hath not shall be taken away even that which he hath.

Matt 25:30 And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Matt 25:31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:

Matt 25:32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:

Matt 25:33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.

Matt 25:34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

Matt 25:35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:

Matt 25:36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.

Matt 25:37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?

Matt 25:38  When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?

Matt 25:39  Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?

Matt 25:40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

Matt 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

Matt 25:42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:

Matt 25:43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.

Matt 25:44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?

Matt 25:45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.

Matt 25:46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

Matt. 28:19

Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

Genesis 19:23

The sun was risen upon the earth when Lot entered into Zoar.

Was Lot removed before the wrath of God destroyed the city?

Where Was Daniel?

Daniel 3 contains one of the most popular stories of the Old Testament. This story is also one of the clearest models of the End Times anywhere in the Bible. King Nebuchadnezzar represents the anti-Christ who decrees that anyone who refuses to bow down and worship the statue he has made will be put to death in the fiery furnace, which represents Great Tribulation. Daniel’s three friends, representing Israel, refuse to worship the image and are thrown into the furnace to die. While in there they encounter the Lord, are preserved through the judgment, and are elevated to positions of honor in Babylon.


But where was Daniel? He was a prominent figure both before and after chapter 3. But in this episode his name was not even mentioned. Did he worship the statue to escape judgment? Nope. Did he refuse to bow down but was not accused? No because it would have been mentioned that he would have been thrown in to the fire too. But they did take his three friends. At this point in the story he had disappeared. In chapter 3, Daniel was a model of the Church, who during the End times judgments will have disappeared altogether, while Israel will be preserved through them, meet the Lord in the midst of them, and be elevated to positions of honor in the Kingdom Age. - Taken from the analysis of Jack Kelley.




Isaiah 26:19-21

Isa 26:19 Thy dead men shall live, together with my dead body shall they arise. Awake and sing, ye that dwell in dust: for thy dew is as the dew of herbs, and the earth shall cast out the dead.

Isa 26:20 Come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee: hide thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast.

Isa 26:21 For, behold, the LORD cometh out of his place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity: the earth also shall disclose her blood, and shall no more cover her slain.

Daniel 12:1-2

Dan 12:1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.

Dan 12:2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

Here are the most commonly quoted scripture for the rapture:



1 Thes. 4:15
For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.



1 Thes 4:16-17

For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

1 Thes 5:9

For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,

John 14:2-3


In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.

And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.

Matt. 24:9

Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.

Matt. 24:15
When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)

Matt. 24:20-21


But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:

For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

Matt. 24:22
And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

Matt. 24:24

Matt 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

2 Thes. 2:9-10


Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

Matt. 24:27
For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

God Has Removed the Righteous from the Path of His Wrath Before

Remember Jesus referring to the end times and comparing it to the days of Lot?


Luke 17:28-29


Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded;

But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.




Remember Jesus referring to the end times and comparing it to the days of Noah?



Luke 17: 26-29

26 And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man.

27 They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.

28 Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded;

29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.




Genesis 19:21-24


21 And he said unto him, See, I have accepted thee concerning this thing also, that I will not overthrow this city, for the which thou hast spoken.

22 Haste thee, escape thither; for I cannot do any thing till thou be come thither. Therefore the name of the city was called Zoar.

23 The sun was risen upon the earth when Lot entered into Zoar.

24 Then the Lord rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the Lord out of heaven;


Comment: Lot served as a model of the Church who also has to be rescued from the time and place of the coming judgment before it can begin.




John 11:25-26

Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:

And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?

Acts 15:13-18

And after they had held their peace, James answered, saying, Men and brethren, hearken unto me:

Simeon hath declared how God at the first did visit the Gentiles, to take out of them a people for his name.

And to this agree the words of the prophets; as it is written,

After this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up:

That the residue of men might seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles, upon whom my name is called, saith the Lord, who doeth all these things.

Known unto God are all his works from the beginning of the world.






Daniel 9:24-27

Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.

And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Acts 1:6
Acts 1:6 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?

Church’s “full number” has “come in”? 

Romans 11:25-27

For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

Daniel 2:44
And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.



When the Church’s “full number” has “come in” to its heavenly destination God will turn His attention once again to Israel and the final 7 years of Daniel’s 70 weeks prophecy will be fulfilled, culminating in the Lord’s return to establish His Kingdom. This is the Kingdom promised to Israel that Daniel said would never be destroyed, or left to another people, but will endure forever.




1 Thes 1:10

And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come.


Again one of the main rapture quotes


1 Thes. 4:16-17

16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.





1 Thes. 5:6-9

6 Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober.

7 For they that sleep sleep in the night; and they that be drunken are drunken in the night.

8 But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation.

9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,




1 Thes. 4:17

1Thess 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

Isaiah 26:19-21

Isa 26:19 Thy dead men shall live, together with my dead body shall they arise. Awake and sing, ye that dwell in dust: for thy dew is as the dew of herbs, and the earth shall cast out the dead.

Isa 26:20 Come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee: hide thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast.

Isa 26:21 For, behold, the LORD cometh out of his place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity: the earth also shall disclose her blood, and shall no more cover her slain.

Rev. 6:16-17

And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:

For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

Jesus will separate the Church from the time and place of the End Times Judgments.


ACTION: (Look up the full meaning of the Greek word translated “from” in 1 Thes. 1: 10 to confirm this.) In Chapter 4 he said this separation would happen when the Lord comes to take us to be with Him in Heaven. First, believers who have died will be raised up. Then, we who are still alive will be snatched away with them to meet the Lord in the air. Then in chapter 5 he repeated the reason for our sudden rescue. It was never intended that the Church would suffer through the time of God’s wrath.


Clarification needed by the church at Thesselonia:

Paul answered the 2 questions in that order using verses 3-5 to describe conditions that would bring about the Day of the Lord and verses 6-8 to explain when the rapture would occur in relation to them.

Paul States What Conditions Will Bring On The Day of The Lord

2 Thes. 2:3-5

3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?

The Holy Spirit Must Be Removed or Lessened For the Great Tribulation to Occur

2 Thes. 2:6-8

6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.

7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.

8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:



Confirming and amplifying Daniel’s 70 weeks prophecy (Daniel 9:27) and the Lord’s warning from the Olivet Discourse (Matt. 24:15), Paul pegged the beginning of the Great Tribulation to the moment the Antichrist stands in the Temple in Jerusalem proclaiming himself to be God.



Before the Antichrist can be officially revealed, One who is currently limiting the power of lawlessness has to be taken out of the way. The phrase “out of the way” literally means out of the midst, or from amongst. Some force that restrains the power of evil within certain predetermined limits (for this power is already at work on Earth) has to be removed.

Scholars who read the passage literally identify this force as the Holy Spirit. And since the Holy Spirit is sealed within us, if He’s taken out from amongst the people of Earth, we have to go too.

If you take the Restrainer which is the Holy Spirit then you must take that which it dwells which is the body of Christ or the Church.  This is the Rapture of the Church, and once we are gone the power of evil will be free from restraint. Hell will break loose on Earth until the Lord returns at the end of the Great Tribulation to end it.

This is how it all unfolds:

The Antichrist must be revealed, and before he can be revealed the church has to be removed entirely. According to Paul the next prophetic event involving believers will be our own disappearance.


About three years after the Thessalonian letters Paul wrote 1 Corinthians and in chapter 15 added more detail to his rapture teaching.



1 Cor. 15:51-53

Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

1 Cor. 13:12
For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.

1 John 3:2
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

The Trump of God Signals the Rapture and The 7th Trumpet Signals the Second Coming of Jesus

*Rev. 11:15

Rev 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

*Exodus 19:13 & 19


Exod 19:13 There shall not an hand touch it, but he shall surely be stoned, or shot through; whether it be beast or man, it shall not live: when the trumpet soundeth long, they shall come up to the mount.

*Don’t confuse the trumpet we’ll hear with the 7th Trumpet of Rev. 11:15. In the first place what we’ll hear is the trumpet of God, mentioned elsewhere only in Exodus 19:13 & 19. The 7th Trumpet is blown by an angel in Heaven, announces the beginning of the Great Tribulation, and is never called the last trumpet.



The Trumpet of God is only mentioned  twice in the Bible. The first one is in Exodus 19 at Mt. Sinai and the last one is in 1 Thes. 4

Parallels between the giving of the Law to Moses and the Rapture of the Church

Similarities:


Both are accompanied by the audible voice of God and both create a Kingdom. At Mt. Sinai the Israelites were redeemed from slavery, at the Rapture we’re redeemed from sin. They were consecrated, we’re perfected. They washed their clothes, we’re given clean clothes. God came to the Mt. top, Jesus comes to the air. At Mt. Sinai Moses and Aaron went up, at the rapture we go up. At Mt. Sinai Israel was wed to God. At the Rapture the Church is wed to Jesus. At Mt. Sinai God dwelt with Israel and at the rapture the Church will dwell with Jesus.



Differences:


Only Moses and Aaron could ascend the mountain. Anyone else going up passed from life to death. At the rapture we all go up and everyone passes from death to life. God promised to dwell with Israel if they obeyed. We will dwell with

Jesus because He obeyed. They changed themselves temporarily, He changes us permanently. Theirs was an event accompanied by great fear, ours is an event anticipated with great joy. After all Mt. Sinai was the presentation of God’s Law, and the Rapture is the manifestation of His grace. God blew the First Trump in Exodus 19 in preparation for the giving of the Law, and will blow the the Last Trump in 1 Thes. 4:16 to initiate the Rapture.



Rescuing The Righteous

Abraham had reminded the Lord that His character would not allow Him to judge the righteous with the wicked. Even though the negotiated requirement of 10 righteous men to spare Sodom and Gomorrah had not been met, God instructed the angels to remove Lot before destroying the cities. Speaking of this Peter wrote,

2 Peter 2:9

The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished:

Peter wanted us to see from the example of Lot that it was not an isolated incident but was meant to convey a general principle. The Greek word translated “from” in the NIV is more clearly rendered “out of” in the King James. It means away from the time and place of the event being referenced. We see a similar idea conveyed in:  Isaiah 57:1

When the Rapture Occurs Will Those Left Understand

Isaiah 57:1:
The righteous perish, and no one ponders it in his heart; devout men are taken away, and no one understands that the righteous are taken away to be spared from evil.


Here the Hebrew word translated “taken away” means to gather in, receive, or remove. God’s character is such that He can’t allow the righteous to be punished with the wicked.





2 Thes. 2:3
Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

At the beginning of Rev. 4, John was called forward to the End of the Age and up into Heaven to observe and report on events that were nearly 2000 years in his future. When he arrived at the throne of God he saw a group never before seen in any of the Bible’s pictures of God’s throne. Isaiah didn’t see them (Isaiah 6) Ezekiel didn’t see them (Ezekiel 1 & 10), and even Daniel, whose vision was oriented in the End Times only saw a vague hint in the form of plural thrones

(Daniel 7:9). I’m speaking of the 24 elders sitting on thrones encircling the Throne of God (Rev. 4:4)

Dan 7:9
I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire.

Rev. 4:4
Rev 4:4 And round about the throne were four and twenty seats: and upon the seats I saw four and twenty elders sitting, clothed in white raiment; and they had on their heads crowns of gold.

These 24 elders confuse some people

But their appearance gives them away. They have thrones, so they’re rulers. They surround the Throne of God, so they’re assisting Him. They’re seated, so their work is done. They’re dressed in white, so they’re righteous. They’re wearing crowns, so they’re kings. It’s the Greek “stephanos” crown so they’re victors, over comers. They’re called Elders, a title associated with the Church. That’s a pretty strong case for them representing the Church, and no one has ever come up with a better one.




Revelation 5:8-10

8 And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints.

9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

King or Kingdom? Angels Singing? Elders in Heaven? Must Be After Rapture

Also the Greek word for King and Kingdom is the same, differing only by gender.  King is the masculine form and is the one that appears in Rev. 5:10.  (Kingdom is feminine.)

So the verse is more grammatically and theologically correct when it’s translated Kings and Priests, which define the Church, rather than a kingdom and priests.

And there’s no other group that fits the description of verse 9.

Finally, the song is more consistent with the context of the passage when it’s sung by the redeemed Church, not by a third party singing about the Church.

Taken together Rev. 4-5 present a good circumstantial case for the Church being present in Heaven before the wrath of God begins in Rev. 6.

As we have already seen, this is what the Bible has promised from the beginning.

Called Chosen and Faithful Followers With Jesus When He Overcomes Satan At The Second Coming?

Rev. 17:14
They will make war against the Lamb, but the Lamb will overcome them because he is Lord of lords and King of kings—and with him will be his called, chosen and faithful followers.


This is an overview statement that describes the Great Tribulation, during which Satan, working through the Antichrist, will attempt to assert his ownership claim to Planet Earth.

Rev. 17:13 says these 10 kings will have only that one purpose during the time of their reign.

In Rev. 3:10 Jesus called that time the hour of trial that’s coming upon the whole world.

In Matt. 24:21 He called it the Great Tribulation.

Rev. 17:17 says that the Lord will agree to their rule in order for them to accomplish His purpose, not theirs, and that’s to destroy the Great Prostitute. Once they are finished with her He will appear to personally oversee their defeat.

And guess who’ll be with Him when He returns? His called, chosen and faithful followers. That can only be the Church, in Heaven during the Great Tribulation, and returning with Him at its end.

Concluding

From Genesis to Revelation, the overwhelming weight of evidence, some circumstantial and some testimonial shows that the Lord always intended to remove the Church from Earth before the End Times Judgments and to hide us in His Father’s house until His wrath has passed by.

2 Pet 2:9 
The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished:  KJV


Isa 57:1 
The righteous perisheth, and no man layeth it to heart: and merciful men are taken away, none considering that the righteous is taken away from the evil to come. KJV



Rev 2:22-24
22 Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds.

23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.

24 But unto you I say, and unto the rest in Thyatira, as many as have not this doctrine, and which have not known the depths of Satan, as they speak; I will put upon you none other burden. KJV



Rev 3:10
Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth. KJV



Rev 21:27
And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.  KJV



Rev 21:2 
And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. KJV



2 Thess 2:3
Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; KJV


Rev 4:4 
And round about the throne were four and twenty seats: and upon the seats I saw four and twenty elders sitting, clothed in white raiment; and they had on their heads crowns of gold. KJV


Rev 5:8-10
8 And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints.

9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth. KJV


Rev 17:14
These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful. KJV